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Koch Network Warns Trump Against ‘Failed’ Cannabis Fight

June 26, 2017
David Koch speaks in Orlando in 2013. (Phelan M. Ebenhack/AP)
The conservative Koch political network is coming out hard against the Trump administration’s plan to step up enforcement of the nation’s cannabis laws, joining a growing group on the political right who are urging the president to push back against drug war hardliners like Attorney General Jeff Sessions.


Jeff Sessions Asks Congress to End Medical Cannabis Protections

“You are never going to win the war on drugs. Drugs won,” Mark Holden, one of the influential network’s top leaders, told reporters in Colorado Springs, according to the Denver Post. His statements came as the network opened a three-day retreat at The Broadmoor resort in Colorado Springs.

In Denver Post reporter John Frank’s story Sunday, Holden, the general counsel for Koch Industries—the second-largest privately owned company in the US—said the network has disagreed with Sessions’s decision to re-evaluate a federal policy not to interfere in state medical marijuana systems and taken issue with the attorney general’s request that Congress lift restrictions to allow the justice department to crack down on state-legal medical programs. He said Sessions’ stance represented a “failed big government top-down approach,” adding that “we should let the states decide.”


The Haymaker: Which Patients Will Sessions ‘Come After’ First?

In a letter sent in May and made public earlier this month, Sessions urged Congress to roll back a protection known as the Rohrabacher-Blumenauer amendment, which prohibits the Justice Department from using federal funds to prevent certain states “from implementing their own state laws that authorize the use, distribution, possession, or cultivation of medical marijuana.” The rule has stymied at least one high-profile case against a California cannabis business.


Federal Court Bars Justice Department From Prosecuting Medical Cannabis

Charles and David Koch have spent millions to further their conservative political goals. Some of those aims overlap with policies supported by liberals. Holden, for example, is currently in charge of a network-backed effort to address overcriminalization and criminal justice reform.

Earlier this month, another conservative voice—longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone—came out in opposition to the administration’s threatening stance toward state-legal cannabis. In an interview with Leafly last week, Stone called Sessions “a Southern conservative hard-core right-wing drug warrior who has probably never smelled marijuana in his life and has probably seen the movie ‘Reefer Madness’ a hundred times.”


Leafly Interview: Dirty Trickster Roger Stone Talks Cannabis Legalization & Trump

Stone filed paperwork last week with the Internal Revenue Service to create the United States Cannabis Coalition, a nonprofit political organization with the same tax-exempt status as super-PACs that influence politicians and elections.

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  • Brian Kelly

    Marijuana consumers deserve and demand equal rights and protections under our laws that are currently afforded to the drinkers of far more dangerous and deadly, yet perfectly legal, widely accepted, endlessly advertised and even glorified as an All American pastime, booze.

    Plain and simple!

    Legalize Marijuana Nationwide!

    It’s time for us, the majority of The People to take back control of our national marijuana policy. By voting OUT of office any and all politicians who very publicly and vocally admit to having an anti-marijuana, prohibitionist agenda! Time to vote’em all OUT of office. Period. Plain and simple.

    Politicians who continue to demonize Marijuana, Corrupt Law Enforcement Officials who prefer to ruin peoples lives over Marijuana possession rather than solve real crimes who fund their departments toys and salaries with monies acquired through Marijuana home raids, seizures and forfeitures, and so-called “Addiction Specialists” who make their income off of the judicial misfortunes of our citizens who choose marijuana, – Your actions go against The Will of The People and Your Days In Office Are Numbered! Find new careers before you don’t have one.

    The People have spoken! Get on-board with Marijuana Legalization Nationwide, or be left behind and find new careers. Your choice.

    Legalize Nationwide!

    • Gary Craig

      Trump listen to the Koch’s? He doesn’t even like them. One rich person that does have Trumps ear is Sheldon “FunBucks” Adelson. We all know what Adelson wants Trump to do re cannabis; wipe it out, shut it all down. The cartels and black market will be happy, though. Tell me again how Trump will be great on cannabis legalization! Great for black market dealers!

      • Brian Kelly

        You make some good points.

        In regards to “Tell me again how Trump will be great on cannabis legalization! ”

        “Again”? I never once claimed that Trump “will be great on cannabis legalization”.

      • Rob Woodside

        The truth appears to be that Trump only cares about himself and his business interests. He loves the adulation of his 40% (!!!) base and will work to keep that. Since he knows very little he will take what ever stance he thinks will further his business or pump up his base. If he thought his base wanted legalization or he could profit from it, he’d do it. Currently like with most things he really doesn’t care.

        • Ninth

          President Trump has repeatedly stated his intention to enforce the law. All laws. Equally. So has Mr. Sessions. Although that does pit them against all of the pro-cannabis groups, I believe they are telling us to get on the congress to get it removed from the scedule 1 status it now enjoys. As I stated above, Executive Orders and temporary Resolutions can be annulled easily and makes for a very shaky industry. It isn’t up to Trump or Sessions to be lenient on cannabis, it is their job to enforce the law. It is, however, up to congress to change the law and it is up to us to make them change it. We need to focus our energy on them, not the President.

          • Rob Woodside

            If Trump had any interest in enforcing “All laws” he would enforce the emolument clause in the constitution. Like I said he doesn’t care about anything other than his business and base.He reads his base as wanting law and order so he says he’ll enforce it. He says a lot of things.
            You are right. It is the bad law that congress needs to change and that is where energy should be focused. Once congress does some work and legalizes dope, Trump would use his Supreme Court to invalidate it, if he thought legalization would displease his base. Instead of wasting time on such maybes, lets get congress to legalize it!!!

          • Gary Craig

            If Congress were to re-(de),Schedule cannabis I truly believe Trump would pull out his veto pen, then dare Congress to override it.

        • freewheelinfranklin543

          A bunch of his base uses Cannabis.

    • drlee


    • so true. thanks for this

  • familyguy

    Trump and Sessions do not give a shit about ordinary people, their medication or their rights. When it comes to rights they feel people have a fist full of them already. Say good bye to your rights and hello to Russian dictatorship.

    • Pudentain

      You miss the memo? CNN has admitted that Russian collusion was some made up shit to fool… people like you. For ratings.

      • jim

        That was “a single story ” not done yet. Typical spin ; we found one story might have been exaggerated so “all are wrong”. Time has proven that the average American will find out the truth through the back door because the front door has been bought and paid for by the self appointed Kings and Queens of wealth. Just check your history.
        God bless all those who work to end the war on drugs (cannabis)

        • Pudentain

          Yes, alternative news sites tend to be more reliable than the mainstream. Seems like the more we do learn the more we realize we are subject to a lying media. And certainly God bless those working to end prohibition. And God bless that we have an internet where we can still talk and share information to make an attempt to filter out what is truth.

          Hehe, shall we call those fighting the drug warriors for cannabis legalization prohibition warriors?

      • Fred_Evil

        Completely false. And totally off-topic.

        • ComeAndGitIt

          Then why did you comment?

        • Pudentain

          Way to keep up the narrative going! Dirty Russians, poor Hillary. /laugh

      • Danny Hickey

        You miss the memo? That is explicitly not what that kerfuffle was about. Go watch your Fox news, live in your dreamworld.

        • Pudentain

          What is that around your mouth? Ewww! Been brownnosing literally?

          We can kerfuffle all day long. But I have to tell you I don’t care much for faux news. And while we’re kerfuffling :p please wash your face.

  • Put legalization to the vote of the people and end this prohibition madness.

    • Jeffrey

      Be careful what you wish for. The Christian Right and rural America will vote against legalizing Cannabis.

      • Brian Kelly

        Every major poll in the nation shows A Solid Majority of Americans favor The Legalization of Marijuana Nationwide!

        “Americans Favor Legalizing Marijuana Support surged 10 percentage points in past year””

        “A solid majority of voters nationwide favor legalizing and regulating marijuana similar to the way alcohol and tobacco cigarettes are currently regulated. Most also don’t believe it should be a crime for people to smoke marijuana in the privacy of their own homes”

        “Americans favor making cannabis legal for adults, according to the findings of a CNN/ORC International survey released late Monday. The percentage is the highest ever reported by the survey, which has been tracking public opinion on the issue since 1973, and marks a 12 percentage point jump in support since the last time pollsters posed the question in 2012”

      • lovingc

        There are more of us than they can get to vote!

      • Lelia Dowd

        Guess you don’t really believe God made this plant according to His Word, starting with Genesis 1. You should really believe God. I won’t be voting against it. Please educate yourselves before trying to take down and suppress natural health and healing. There is a lot of information out there if you are inclined to learn instead of threatening.

        • EquaYona

          How is Jeffrey trying to,”take down and suppress natural health and healing”? How is he “threatening”? He is pointing out the basic fact that rightwing Xtians, AKA “rural America” would cast large numbers of votes against legalizing cannabis.

          • freewheelinfranklin543

            You got more friends among those folks than you realize. You are making the same mistake as Trump and Sessions. Thinking that everybody who uses Cannabis thinks like you do. Even the Mormons went along with medical pot in my town.

          • EquaYona

            I am not thinking that at all. I have encountered people with whom I disagree on most things but we agree that cannabis should be legal. You notice I stipulated that right wing Xtians would cast negative votes in substantial numbers. I did not say all conservative Xtians are opposed. Why don’t folks read comments before responding?

        • Deborah Dillihant

          If GOD is not in everything else that they do, then legalizing cannabis is a side effect of what they are already doing. I have never for the life in me understood why they would push meds that make you sick, and that comes with an warning label, instead of a plant that is natural and that was put here on Purpose. GOD don’t make junk, just Man!

        • Lisette Dominguez

          Cannabis has literally saved my life. I have a HUGE list of previous medical issues, including but definitely not limited to being epileptic, and have been on and off life support for as long as I can remember because I’m so allergic to all of the pharmaceutical crap this government keeps trying to force down our throats to keep us where we are. I’ve been through literal hell my ENTIRE life. Since conception. Literally. Anyways, Let’s not get started with all the unnecessary meats, processed foods, known cancer causing chemicals that are in our own children’s bottles, toys, luggage (mainly from other countries and California. Those really cheap things from dollar stores or 99 cent stores in the poor neighborhoods, in the bodegas in the poor neighborhoods, at the swap meats, and bazaars, made from other countries, and even here. It gets SOOOOO DEEP, I promise, you’ll never want to stop learning more and more once you start. Etc., etc., etc.) daily used household cleaning supplies, and even down to our toothpaste. In order to soley have some type of mass body count control. Let’s not even get started with cigarettes, alcohol, racism, politics, etc. It’s a huge conspiracy, and we’re like all little lab rats, apes, and baby monkeys. The ones that bulk up and really “shine the most”, the “most beautiful” or the “best of the batch”, the “the ones most likely to succeed”, (remember those funny little tests that we had in elementary, middle, and high school?? Those tests that “gave recommendation to what we would become as adults”. I do. Now I do. I always wondered
          Why I had a strong desire to become a Dr. Ob/Gyn to be exact. Even spent a lot of time in the medical field. In education and employment. Lol 😊) become our “star athletes”, “star singers”, “models”, and the list goes on and on. In all reality, we are ALL being controlled, and frankly, I have always been tired of it. I just didn’t know what I was tired of. People enjoy being blind to all of the facts because it is merely “easier”. “An easier and cheaper way of living.” If you must. People have literally been cured of cancer from completely changing their way of living and thinking. People have become so less than, weak, and in all reality sad. Our children are suffering from it, and no one can see it. All the babies that have anything “wrong with them”. Example, my son has cerebral palsy, and sickle cell anemia “because of his father’s bloodline”. Then again, almost all of my children wear glasses, four were preemies, one passed away at 7 months and 15 days old from “SIDS”, and 2 of them are preteens that are “obese”. Let’s not get started with the “mental problems”, i.e. anxiety, depression, etc. that they have or might have. Well, I grew up poor, and in a huge family. I had 8 siblings, and my mom took in all the neighborhood kids because some kids were simply more poor than we were. My mom never let anyone go without. We have all suffered, and have been through more hell than any person should go through, and so on and so forth. I just couldn’t take that for an answer in my life. “It’s what I was meant for because of my area code”. Um no hunny….. lol I was not meant for this world, and after watching a recent documentary (What in the health) I have went completely vegan, smoke and eat lots of weed and everything coconut, no more meat, dairy, gluten, bpa, cheap mess, aluminum, etc., and I make EVERYTHING in my home organicly by hand. Down to my toothpaste, shampoo, and even my cleaning supplies. I got rid of every single thing that wasn’t wood, or naturally from the earth, (as much as I possibly could) If I could, I would get rid of all electronics and in ALL reality if I could I would move into the woods or somewhere within nature. Become one with the earth and God himself again. Because since I have made this change, I feel absolutely amazing. I have went from 168 lbs to 126.4 lbs. I don’t hurt anymore. I don’t have seizures. I’m clear minded, focused, and just absolutely feel better.a I’m VERY happy in my relationship. I am at peace for once in my life. I have AMAZING days and nights with my fiance. Who I might add has made this complete change with me. We are both doing absolutely amazing, and are more energetic. We get much done now. When before I was so debilitaed I couldn’t maintain a stable job because of my “disabilities”. Now, I have no issues. Don’t get me wrong, it is very hard. But knowing the never ending list of benefits from making this change, makes it SO EASY at the same time. I know, I’m venting, but I just can’t help myself. I’m happy, and want to sgare my joy. Everyone should really look into the documentary “What The Health” very educational. It’s on netflix. Then look into what exactly does the items in your house contain. I promise you, thos is ONLY for EVERYONE. Not just the “strong”. Cause once you make this change, you’ll never look back again. Just passing on a happy message. Let’s not be a lazy species!! Let’s come together and cure this place we call our HOME!! ✌✌👍👍👏👏👄👄💪💪❤💙💚💛💓💕💖💗💘💝💞💟👣👣👣👣👂👂👀👀💆💆💏💑👪👫👬👭👵👶👦👨👩👴🙈🙉🙊ON ANOTHER NOTE……. LEGALIZATION OR NOT, I’m still going to do what I need to do for myself and my children in order to make it through this hell of a life. Keep on debating hunny. Because at the end of the day, legalization or not, cannabis with always win. 😊😊😜😜😙😙😚😋😋 @Jeffrey 😋😋😏😏😌😌😂😂 now let me get go get higher than life. Done with this political hoo blah. Peace and love.

          • Lisa Gage

            I have been a patient at the university of San Francisco for 17 years for severe debilitating migraines. Totally bedridden for many of those years and they gave me 60 different drugs and experimental FDA approved meds. Took 3 years of detox and my own cannabis in the yard to be a human being again.I will not go back to those drugs they said would work! No! Now I can medicate at home and It makes me happy to be in the garden watching it grow! Happy out in Cali with the progress for the industry. Looking forward to all the science but mostly looking for relief from my pain and anxiety.

          • bass-ackwards

            Great comment

        • Jeffrey

          Threatening??? All I said is there are many Right & Christian leaning people who are against Cannabis. Ask around and see if these Christian friends of yours will support the use of Cannabis and you will see what I mean. Best of all, start speaking up loudly about your support and tell all who’ll listen why. Just look at AG Sessions and you will see the types of people who think that Cannabis is wrong for anyone to use. So wrong that they will throw your ass in jail. Now do you see what I’m talking about?

      • jsh1899

        You are 100% wrong

        • Ninth

          He is definitely wrong. With 29 states, including Washington D.C., having cannabis laws on the books, the country definitely does not want to keep up this phony ‘war on drugs’, especially cannabis. We need to focus our efforts on the congress to remove it from the schedule 1 classification it now inhabits and allow them to concentrate on running the country instead of the population.

        • Jeffrey

          Than why is a good Christian Boy like Sessions not paying attention to his flock? When I hear more Christians, besides the Koch Brothers & Stone, come out loudly against this Sessions attack, than maybe I’ll understand why I am 100% wrong.

          • Izzat So

            Why is Sessions coming down on marijuana? Simple. Pot users are among the most numerous and easiest to arrest, and thus quickly fill the private prisons that are one of Sessions big supporters. Ideology, sure, but greed, definitely is what moves Sessions.

          • Jimmy Dean

            and supposedly two of his staffers are private prison lobbyists, but I have not verified that. I’d like to when time allows.

          • freewheelinfranklin543

            Private prison industry funded Trump’s inauguration. Sessions renewed the private prison contracts which call for a 90% plus occupancy rate.This is nothing but Trump and Sessions paying those crooks back! Pretty corrupt!

      • Jeff Celentano

        I completely see your point here but I’d like to believe the supporters outnumber the detractors.

      • Ninth

        The Christian Right and rural America as well as many others, have already voted to make it legal. 29 states worth. In my opinion, Trump and Sessions are not the ones we need to be pressuring. They are attempting to do their job and enforce the laws as they stand as they should. Relying on Executive orders and Resolutions makes the entire industry unstable. We need to get on Congress to deschedule cannabis. Then Mr. Sessions can go after other, higher priority issues and leave us alone.

        • darleneboudreau


      • Evan Young

        That’s not entirely accurate. Some of them will, for sure but the real enemy of this movement are the 1%ers like Mr. Trump and his administration. What we need to focus on first before further legalization, is strengthening Castle Doctrain laws nation wide, and then push for legalization. Then no one is at fault for defending their homes and themselves from home invaders posing as agents of the law. That’s just my opinion though, and I know many will disagree with that. But the fact of the matter is, federal home invaders are able to kidnap and hold for ransom, individuals who did nothing but enjoy a non lethal plant, and do so on an everyday basis. America used to be a land of revolutionaries who stood up against someone who falaciously thought he had a right to control their personal lives. Why has everyone become so lazy? Faux Comfortability, and the appearance of stability. For those of you who believe muddling through your 9-5 jobs and let King Donald run amuck, you deserve this leader. All it would take is for millions of Americans marching on Washington and forcefully removing the stagnant status quo that infests the swamp. But the only people who will do that are the ones who actually care. When the fate of a nation is at steak, the protection of our personal rights is much more important than a couple days pay, because in the end it will be better. “The only thing necessary for evil to succeed, is for good men to stand by and do nothing.” -Edmund Burke-

        • Dick Baldwin

          Well said, Evan Young.

      • Mary Welch

        Please don’t use the term “Christian” against Cannabis. God created this plant. The seeds for the Cannabis plant were on Noah’s Ark per God’s direction. Some have said that the burning bush was a cannabis plant. I know when I use I find myself more prayerful.
        Please everyone refuse to call this plant marijuana, this is a racist name made up by Jeff Session’s ancestors to scare white people of Hispanics.

      • Harold Gwillim

        I would say many of my friends and I are Christian Right and rural Americans and we would vote for legalization. In recent years the quiet majority have had our eyes opened to the usefulness of cannabis, especially those of us over 60 years of age. Even many of the Drs. I know are very positive toward cannabis for patients over 60.

      • calvet11

        Mom and Dad Christian Right and farmers from the inner states better look over their shoulder’s. Because their son’s and daughter’s are smoking a boat load of dope (cannabis, my bad). Back in 1976, had a farmer cousin in Ohio. Straightest, straight person was never born except for ONE thing. He used weed then to help his bad back (farming is a bitch) and relax and be calm for his wife and kids. So I just think there are more people out in the country between the coasts who are heads, (sorry, patients). And they feed the world.

      • Beach Potato

        Negative, I am part of the Christian Right, living in rural America as a Deplorable with daily consumption for post polio muscle wasting that is incredibly painful. I am not alone, arthritis sufferers and cancer victims are my neighbors in this crime against the state….lol

      • Ted

        No they won’t. Maybe about not even half would be against pot. I’m one of those people and I use pot every day.

        • Jeffrey

          Well I hope your writing AG Sessions and the SCROTUS and telling your friends to do the same. Now is the time to do this for everyone.

      • Danielle L Smartt

        Bible says God gave us every seed bearing plant for our use.
        God created marijuana.

        Don’t approve what God has done, do you?
        Just want to go for big pharma’s poison and let them kill you?
        How about supporting the chemical producing corporations so their waste products can kill you?
        This isn’t just about m.j. this is about protecting their profits in these areas as well as pharmaceuticals.
        Hemp makes better, long lasting paper, lasts hundreds of years in comparison.
        Takes less chemicals to bleach and process.
        Building blocks using hemp provide insulation, meaning fewer $$ spent on heating and cooling.
        Hemp plastic can be used to make fenders etc, for our cars.
        Lasts longer, stronger in a collision. Very impact resistant. Not so profitable for the auto industry.
        Look up “the real hemp story”
        and you will see more of the real motives to keep marijuana illegal.

        Just more profits for corporations, more side effects from prescriptions (which will kill or disable you)
        and more private prisons to profit their share holders like that idiot Sessions.

        Natural is always better.

        Unless you own shares in one of those murderous coporations..

    • jsh1899

      No need for a vote!

  • NeverViolence

    One… ALL drugs are more prevalent in societies who ban them. This includes the United States; despite trillions of dollars spent fighting it, countless lives ruined by it, and the creation of monitized prisons in the land of the free.

    Two… Zero people on either side of the legalization debate want our children to get addicted to drugs. In fact, we have enacted laws (not unlike previous laws put in place for alcohol)which are proving yet again to work. The restrictions aren’t perfect but it’s definitely more restrictive than illegal dealers on every street corner in America.

    Three… The argument of cannabis being a gateway drug has been proven all over the world to be false. If anything is a gateway drug; it would be sugar, caffeine, nicotine in cigarettes, and alcoholic beverages.

    Four… Canada and Mexico have legal access to cannabis. Canada will fully legalize in 07/01/2018. Mexico, has already decriminalization and legalized medical use.

    Five… The question isn’t “IF” citizens will continue to consume cannabis or illicit drugs. The question is how do we regulate its use, take profits away from criminal organizations, and how much profit can we make as a society to battle the negative effects caused through Healthcare.

    Six… Government can tax me/us. They can even kill us if we are violent or hurt others. Yet I draw the line at government or religious institutions telling me what I can do with my “God given” body (be it good or bad) in the comfort of my own home. And when it comes to who gets to decide my best medical needs, I have the final say so. Government needs to get out of the business of telling citizens what we can do with our bodies and stop forcing us to spend our tax money on things we don’t morally approve; be it on religious grounds or a matter of personal choice. Let’s get Americans to be on the same side again…

    • Ninth


    • bass-ackwards

      Standing ovation

    • Sharon Ravert

      Fantastic well thought out! May I publish this comment and give you credit?

      • NeverViolence


  • Jeffrey

    We are destroying the family network and all for the profit of private prisons, political payoffs, and hate of low income and minorities. Yes there are many middle class people who have been penalized too. This is no way to try and get people to support the Federal Government, when we know that what we are being told is lies. If they are willing to lie about Cannabis, it’s scary to think of all the other lies we are being told.

  • Fred_Evil

    “Drugs won”
    No, FREEDOM and LIBERTY won! Science is taking a beating at the hands of this administration, but Drugs won nothing, American’s desire for freedom will carry the day!

    • Chaddy Liquor Tits

      Your name is very misleading. You don’t sound evil at all.

      • mtnmedic

        Hey, even Dr. Evil is a softie….

        • Chaddy Liquor Tits


  • Ron

    Weak attempt to give credit to the Koch Brothers. They don’t really support cannabis–it is just part of their overall effort toward prison reform. No prison reform can be accomplished without changes to cannabis laws.

  • Jeff Celentano

    As a conservative (more libertarian really), I completely agree that marijuana should be as legal as alcohol nationwide. That being said, until that day comes, this is a state’s rights issue. Thankfully my state of Nevada voted in favor of recreational legalization. If the people and the state government think medical and/or recreational marijuana use is okay, in my mind, that it and that’s all. I’m all about less federal interference. Can’t believe I’m actually agreeing with the Koch brothers on something but this is definitely an encouraging sign and a step in the right direction.

  • John Pack

    Sessions can kiss my ass.

    • FlunkedAgain

      He doesn’t even have to bend to do it.

    • HappySmoke Hancho

      YOU sure U want those creepy lying lips touching UR body?

  • Getting Baked With Mom

    Is this the Koch brother who has the massive ‘wine collection’?
    His hypocrisy is showing- oh wait it’s just his christianity.

    • Weston of Mass Destruction

      Did you even read the article or did you just not comprehend it? They are against the war on cannabis! They are against Jeff Sessions’ position. Your intolerance of people having religious beliefs is blinding you. Is it all religions or just Christianity? I’ll bet you hate it when people try to lump all Muslims together. That’s exactly what you’re doing.

      • Getting Baked With Mom

        You are correct I did NOT read the article. And looking back I misread the title. Thanks for calling me on it.
        In regards to religion: after experiencing a few (employed by one) I have discovered that most are lead by narcissistic, money hungry, power hungry mysoginistic actors (primarily men) who fill their own pockets to feed their egos. (again speaking from experience).
        Not sure if that answers all your questions.

        • Weston of Mass Destruction

          Thank you for your honest and thoughtful reply. To be clear, I am far from a religious guy and I have a healthy amount of skepticism for organized religions; however, I know some really decent people that are of the Christian faith.

          I’ve said this in a different post, but I’ll say it here too. I use to think the religious right was a very close minded and intolerant group. It seems now, however, that I am seeing more intolerance from so-called “progressives”.

          I just want to see people being more accepting of others and see that there are overlapping political ideas when it comes to individuals. Identity politics seems to have run amuck.

      • Chaddy Liquor Tits

        Actually, all Satanists can be pretty much lumped together. They’re all relatively boring, have bad tattoos, and are never happy with their drinks at Starbucks.

        • Weston of Mass Destruction

          Touché! It’s probably because all satanist order iced drinks (just one of my made-up facts) and there was a recent BBC article that says they found fecal bacteria in the iced drinks. Google it! True article. I don’t drink iced coffee drinks, but I’ve gotta say, i’m with the satanists on this one.

          • Chaddy Liquor Tits


  • Weston of Mass Destruction

    This shouldn’t be much of a surprise. Though the Koch brothers typically back republican candidates during the elections, they are very libertarian on policy. They would back a libertarian candidate if there was a solid chance of one taking office.

    Left-leaning political ideologues like to demonize these guys because they have a lot of money and influence, but they don’t support their candidates. That’s the unfortunate side of political zealotry: they don’t look at the individual policies. Just because these guys feel like the federal government should not be in control of healthcare (look how the gov manages the VA) and EPA overreach, that doesn’t mean they want people to die and destroy our environment.

    Wake up people! Throw identity politics out with the rest of the garbage. These are human beings and we all have varying opinions. You can oppose some of the ideas you don’t like, but stop trying to turn people into demigods.

    So many people follow Saul Alinsky’s 12th Rule for Radicals. For those of you that are unaware:

    12. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.“ Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

    What a horrible way to treat fellow human beings just because you disagree with some of their ideas.

  • SkepticFox

    Ninth hit the nail on the head with “…get on the congress to get it removed from the scedule 1 status it now enjoys. As I stated above, Executive Orders and temporary Resolutions can be annulled easily and makes for a very shaky industry. It isn’t up to Trump or Sessions to be lenient on cannabis, it is their job to enforce the law. It is, however, up to congress to change the law and it is up to us to make them change it. We need to focus our energy on them…”, because it addresses the very mechanism that empowers govermental action – law enforcement. Remove cannabis from the target of enforcement.
    I live in a state which las legalized medical and recreational use. As soon as it became legal, my employer referenced federal law and implimented random drug testing to fire employees who tested positive for cannabis based on urinalysis results. Regardless of state or federal law, some employers will need the ability to require their employees to perform their jobs while not under the influence of medical and/or recreational substances for safety reasons. In this case, perhaps the federal law change should also address how employers must test for cannabis use (i.e. saliva test vs hair or urin), since an employee’s legal use during days off should not cost the employee their job if they are not working under the influence.

    • Rob Woodside

      There’s a difference between impairment and having THC in your blood. The THC sticks around with no impairment for weeks. They can measure THC but not impairment.
      Some years ago security types lived up to their “not very bright” reputation by spending millions on divining rods that were supposed to detect bombs. After a couple of years and lord knows how many false positive results with the useless sticks, the light finally dawned. The principals of that company got done for fraud and the security types were told to stop using the sticks.
      I’m afraid we are headed the same way with machines and tests for THC. The better tests and machines actually can measure THC levels but this does not correlate with impairment which they have not yet figured out how to measure. There should be lots of court cases over this and eventually maybe we will be able to measure impairment
      No one wants an unsafe work place or to injure themselves or co workers and until impairment can be measured workers need to be trusted to not show up for work impaired. I suspect impairment and THC concentration is different for every person.
      I’m sick and tired of letting the Reefer Madness crew tell us how marijuana legalization should be restricted. Dope should be available in grocery stores like coffee beans. Already most jurisdictions are selling booze in grocery stores. There’s a pretty good and well litigated correlation between alcohol concentration and impairment. While there are similarities between dope and alcohol they are not the same.

  • glad there is an opposer in this situation even if its just agenda. The thing that happened with gay marriage really should happen with cannabis. I have seen its medical benefit help many ill people and the taxes are supporting schools already and seeing great benfit from it. Its DEFINITELY NOT a schedule 1 but should absolutely be regulated and controlled like alcohol

  • MS4EVR

    I Had THOUGHT We had Already VOTED to Make This Legislation ” UNTOUCHABLE”… I May be wrong,..I need the Medical 42O for my PTSD from Serving My Country in IRAQ and other countys in the Middle East… Guess all the HYPE about UNCLE SAM TAKING CARE Of THOSE WHO SERVED And Sacrificed MUCH,is Just That,HYPE and BullShit… I REALLY feel BETRAYED

    • Chaddy Liquor Tits

      1st. Thank you for your service
      2nd. Cannabis acceptance is higher (pun intended) than it has ever been. They couldn’t get rid of it with all the force in the world at this point.

    • Casey Jones

      I served over there also Brother. We were betrayed, substandard health care, we are just left to die. You, like I have witnessed the fascist regimes that we fought against. Now, it appears that the current administration is going the direction of everything that we have fought against. They should be drawn and quartered. They only serve themselves and the corporate, banking and pharmaceutical machines.

      • HappySmoke Hancho

        To MS4EVER and Casey Jones. From one veteran to another, thank U BOTH for your service. I also served way back in1969 in Korea. Never saw combat like you guys but nonetheless came to know the same insensitive greedy corrupt government as U.You, unfortunately, are correct. IT IS BULLSHIT and U HAVE BEEN BETRAYED! I still love my country but am disgusted with our self serving government!

  • Jeffrey

    Hard for Sessions to smell anything with his head up his ass…

  • MyNameIsTaken

    This country flip flops on issues every four to eight years, depending on who gets elected to the High office. We have no long term goals as a country and will continue to fall in the world ranking unless we get our act together and start working for the majority and not those with the most money to “donate” ( bribe) our politicians.

  • FlunkedAgain

    Politics and cannabis bring out the hypocrisy of America.

    Bill Clinton got stoned on 2nd hand vapor when he was in college. He said he puffed, but didn’t inhale. It’s a moot point because we now know the power of the vapor, and the vapor was in the air with the smoke.

    Just attending a rock concert can get you stoned due to the vapor in the air.

  • Tony Russo

    On the religious right: A negative feature of historical Christianity is that when the church is failing in its mission to convert its community to their ideas of morality, they reach out to civil authorities to do by enforcement that which they have failed to do by grace. Jeff Sessions is a prime example. When in public office in Alabama, he attempted to enforce a death sentence on anyone growing marijuana. Do you think that has changed? He is a closet Christian fanatic waiting to happen. Everything else going on by the prohibitionists is a smoke screen to his goals. Look into the early Christian history of the colonies that led to Christians carrying out a death sentence with anyone who disagreed with their idea of morality. Go all the way back to the times of Jesus Christ. The religious right put Him on a cross in the name of their god. Prosecution often leads to persecution. Under the weight of this recorded evidence, human nature shows itself to be predictable. It simply waits for the autority to do so.

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  • Silverado

    When these guys come out and say to Sessions…”let the states decide” apparently Jeff hears that. Interesting piece on something I wasn’t aware of. Wow! Right wingers giving a thumbs down on the reintroduction of the failed drug war because “drugs won”. Wonders never cease…

  • Beach Potato

    Little racist Jeffy Sessions dropped his well known faked attitude yesterday and is going after the cannabis industry where its legal or Medical use allowed. He will be laughed out of town. 29,000 opioid OD’s last year, 0 cannabis OD’s. IMHO this is reverse of what it should be….I say ruin the poppy fields in Afghanistan, we have over 14 thousand troops there…..and it is simple enough to close the drug trail that’s Iran allows. NO poppies, no OD.